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gderoo
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And they're not even the worst team in that matter. Unfortunately, in Portugal everyone is a fan of either Porto, Benfica or Sporting, the other teams have little following. Vit. Guimarães was always an exception and Braga became another since they started to get in the middle of the big 3 a few years ago. For the rest, an attendance of 4000 in a normal game (not against a big team) is very good.
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A decade ago I stayed and trained with sétùbal during my study in portugal.
Then all fellow students where supporting Porto, Benfica or Sporting
at that time sétùbal had higher attendence too, but if I recall well then there was boavista aswell (2nd division now??) How long are they in second division now. Some years back they played CL not? |
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AlanK
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@gderoo: Boavista played CL long about 2001, if memory serves (and they made it to the second group stage). In 2002-2003 they played the Uefa Cup, reaching the semis by beating Malaga on penalties. Ah, memories, I remember these two games very well--Dely Valdes giving Malaga a 1-0 win in the first game; Luiz Claudio tying it up with a free kick at about 87' of the game in Porto. Ricardo was then Boavista's goalie, and that's when I was (unfortunately for Malaga) introduced to Ricardo's penalty-stopping abilities and to his penalty-kick-taking abilities, both of which I would see again vs England in the quarterfinals of Euro 2004.
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gderoo
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D1 1 Club Brugge (4) 24.679 -2,6
D1 2 Anderlecht (2) 24.459 +1,5
D1 3 Standard (5) 21.209 -8,8
D1 4 RC Genk (1) 21.083 -4,0
D1 5 Charleroi (6) 10.772 -10,8
D1 6 Sint-Truiden (11) 8.481 +14,0
D1 7 Germinal Beerschot (9) 8.222 +9,5
D1 8 AA Gent (3) 8.101 -1,5
D2 9 Lierse 7.504 +2,0
D1 10 Cercle Brugge (13) 6.566 +10,4
D1 11 Westerlo (7) 6.363 +13,0
D1 12 Lokeren (17) 5.910 +1,1
D2 13 Brussels (16) 5.856 +21,8
D2 14 Zulte Waregem (10) 5.667 -4,1
D1(but now stopped because of money problems) 15 Moeskroen (12) 5.213 -4,6
D1 16 Roeselare (9) 5.144 -6,8
D2 17 Beveren (14) 4.944 +14,0
D2 18 Bergen (15) 4.888 n.v.t.*
These are the belgian attendences if found
Our belgian topclubs have a max capacity of 30000 Max
Club brugge 29.042
Anderlecht 26.361
Standard Luik 30.023
KRC Genk 24.604
National stadium 50.122
I must say that these are old attendances figures because the average went up with 12% for D1 and 6% for D2
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gderoo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 09:18 Post subject: |
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| AlanK wrote: | | @gderoo: Boavista played CL long about 2001, if memory serves (and they made it to the second group stage). In 2002-2003 they played the Uefa Cup, reaching the semis by beating Malaga on penalties. Ah, memories, I remember these two games very well--Dely Valdes giving Malaga a 1-0 win in the first game; Luiz Claudio tying it up with a free kick at about 87' of the game in Porto. Ricardo was then Boavista's goalie, and that's when I was (unfortunately for Malaga) introduced to Ricardo's penalty-stopping abilities and to his penalty-kick-taking abilities, both of which I would see again vs England in the quarterfinals of Euro 2004. |
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Thunder_PT
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| gderoo wrote: | | Thunder_PT wrote: |
And they're not even the worst team in that matter. Unfortunately, in Portugal everyone is a fan of either Porto, Benfica or Sporting, the other teams have little following. Vit. Guimarães was always an exception and Braga became another since they started to get in the middle of the big 3 a few years ago. For the rest, an attendance of 4000 in a normal game (not against a big team) is very good.
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A decade ago I stayed and trained with sétùbal during my study in portugal.
Then all fellow students where supporting Porto, Benfica or Sporting
at that time sétùbal had higher attendence too, but if I recall well then there was boavista aswell (2nd division now??) How long are they in second division now. Some years back they played CL not? |
Not only Vit. Setúbal but pretty many other had a lot more following. I remember Beira-Mar and Farense having good attendances in their old stadiums.
This decline, imo, is provoked by two things:
1) Tickets used to be cheaper. This is an obvious one. The new EURO 2004 stadiums especially were big contributors for this. We even see some good attendances in lower leagues, so small teams do have some following but when they're promoted to top flight, the tickets get more expensive and after the 1st season craziness people stop going to the stadium.
A good example is Leixões, I remember going to a Famalicão (my local team) vs. Leixões game in 2001 if memory serves me right. They were playing at II Divisão B (3rd level). Our stadium was completely invaded by fans of Leixões! It was crazy, we weren't playing at home at all! Now that they're in top flight, they'd be expected to have even more people following them, but they're actually one of the teams with lower attendance in the league...
2) The newer generations care less and less about their local teams. Old Belenenses and Vit. Setúbal fans are dying, not as much youngsters are replacing them.
But I've seen worse than in Portugal. I met a bulgarian football fan who was a fan of... Chelsea. I don't even know if she had a preference for Levski, CSKA or any other bulgarian team or if she even cared about the league, Chelsea was her team. I also have a south african friend who's an Arsenal fan (I don't go to facebook since Tuesday because I know what expects me there  ). At least in Portugal everyone is still supporting portuguese teams.
@gderoo: Boavista is playing in Second Division, but that's our 3rd level. They had back to back relegations in the last 2 seasons. |
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Thunder_PT
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Liga Sagres, 23rd round results:
Naval 1-0 U. Leiria
1-0 Diego (pen.) 56'
Att: 397
Braga 1-0 Rio Ave
1-0 Andrés Madrid 16'
Att: 14.614
Académica 1-2 FC Porto
1-0 Sougou (pen.) 33'
1-1 Bruno Alves 36'
1-2 Cristián Rodríguez 86'
Att: 5.552
Olhanense 1-3 Belenenses
0-1 Lima 21'
1-1 Castro 41'
1-2 Lima 61'
1-3 Barge 89'
Att: 3.859
Leixões 1-2 Vit. Setúbal
1-0 João Paulo 25'
1-1 Sandro 40'
1-2 Keyta 79'
Att: 4.394
Nacional 0-1 Benfica
0-1 Óscar Cardozo 58'
Att: 4.646
Sporting 3-1 Vit. Guimarães
1-0 Leandro Grimi 8'
2-0 Liedson 9'
3-0 Carlos Saleiro 20'
3-1 Valdomiro 66'
Att: 35.007
P. Ferreira 1-0 Marítimo
1-0 Bruno Di Paula 51'
Att: 970
Table:
1. Benfica 58
2. Braga 55
3. FC Porto 47
4. Sporting 38
5. Vit. Guimarães 33
6. P. Ferreira 32
7. U. Leiria 30
8. Naval 29
9. Nacional 29
10. Rio Ave 28
11. Marítimo 27
12. Académica 24
13. Olhanense 20
14. Vit. Setúbal 20
15. Leixões 15
16. Belenenses 14
Nothing changed at the top, except there's one less game to be played and that Benfica overcame a tougher challenge than Braga. Still, a more decisive match will take place in the next round when Benfica will host Braga!
FC Porto is back to winning ways with Falcao missing a penalty in the end. Mariano González picked up a severe injury and now, with Farías and Orlando Sá also injured and Hulk suspended, Porto's attack is reduced to Varela, Rodríguez and Falcao, there are no alternatives.
Sporting is still showing good form, I hope they can keep it up against Atlético de Madrid.
In the fight for the last Europa League spot (assuming Sporting is safe), Paços de Ferreira was the big winner in this round climbing to 6th place only one point from Vit. Guimarães. Amazing season they're having! But a lot can happen in this race, a lot of teams are still in it!
At the bottom, Vit. Setúbal and Belenenses won the direct clashes against Leixões and Olhanense respectively. Nightmare for Leixões, maybe too little too late for Belenenses, but everything is still possible. |
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gderoo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 09:10 Post subject: |
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| Thunder_PT wrote: | At least in Portugal everyone is still supporting portuguese teams.
@gderoo: Boavista is playing in Second Division, but that's our 3rd level. They had back to back relegations in the last 2 seasons. |
Can you give me a breakdow of your leages:
I know liga sagres is your first devision
but what is below there then?
As example belgium:
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3rd division A 3rd division B
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4th devision A B C D
below there are the regional divisions in a simular structure
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Leixões 1-2 Vit. Setúbal
1-0 João Paulo 25'
1-1 Sandro 40'
1-2 Keyta 79'
Att: 4.394
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JCCJCC
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Can you give me a breakdow of your leages:
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1st level Liga Sagres: 16 teams
2nd level Liga Vitalis: 16 teams
3rd level Second Division (Segunda Divisão): 3 groups of 16 teams (North, Center and South)
4th level Third Division (Terceira Divisão): 8 groups of 12 teams (A, B, C, D, E, F, Azores and Madeira) *Azores group only has 10 teams
Regional Divisions organized by the 22 local FAs
Most of the FAs has 2 regional levels, except Porto, Braga, Lisbon, Aveiro and Viseu FAs with 3 regional levels, and Bragança, Castelo Branco, Ponta Delgada, Angra do Heroísmo, Horta with only one level.
The organization of the regional levels (number of teams and groups) is different in each FA |
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Thunder_PT
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Silvestre Varela just got injured for the rest of the season (now that the World Cup was a possibility...). Nightmare for Porto, he has probably been our best player this season. With Mariano González also injured and Hulk suspended Porto is in serious trouble...
Tomorrow, League Cup Final @ Algarve:
Benfica vs. FC Porto
It's the 3rd year of this competition and this is the 1st game of it that Porto will take seriously. The Champions League is gone, Porto are 11 points behind in the league, so any silverware, though initially secondary, is welcome. And a game against Benfica is always serious.
Benfica should field the best team while Porto have important players unavailable. Benfica also definitely have a morale advantage, so Benfica may be the favorites, but you never know in a clássico. |
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I have some doubts about what team Jesus will put playing tomorrow.
I bet on Aimar and Kardec as starters. Both were substitutes in Marseille so there's not many doubt there. As for the rest, I really can't bet anything... I don't know how the players are phisically, so...
I'm confident anyway!
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Thunder_PT
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League Cup Final
Benfica 3-0 FC Porto
1-0 Ruben Amorim 10'
2-0 Carlos Martins 44'
3-0 Óscar Cardozo 90+2'
Att: 23.430
I was too angry to comment before and now I don't feel like doing it either. I do have to say a thing or two about a couple of players:
F*** Nuno! He's the most unreliable goalkeeper I remember playing for Porto. Seriously, this guy f***ed up too many times already, he makes a routine save and we're relieved. I don't mind having him in the squad as he seems to be influential and important for the team spirit. Just don't play him, please! Porto started better than Benfica and at the first time Benfica shoots, and we're talking about a harmless shot, Nuno let's the ball in in what should be a routine save. What does this do to the morale and confidence of the team? That was the defining moment of the game, though Porto seemed to react well and had better chances to tie the game than Benfica had of scoring the 2nd.
F*** Bruno Alves!!! He gave up on the game after Benfica's 2nd goal and spent the whole second half just arguing with everybody (even more than usual) and trying to be sent off. Pathetic attitude from the captain, who you'd expect to be a voice of command to calm players down and bring them forward looking for the goal. Not him, he didn't care, he just wanted to kick and elbow players. Great captain indeed, f*** him!
I guess I'm still angry after all... I need to forget this game... or this season for that matter... I'll turn my attentions to Famalicão who's playing for promotion. |
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Hey Thunder, F*** YOU!
How dare you to criticize Nuno?!
This guy is a World Champion, member of the UEFA Cup and CL winning squads, winner of several domestic leagues, etc.
And you forget all this because he conceded some goals in some insignificant game?!
Show some RESPECT and GRATITUDE
How dare you to criticize Bruno Alves?!
Bruno Alves is furious with the club situation- 3rd in the league, eliminated in the CL, losing the Lucílio Cup.
I prefer his anger over the apathy of some of his teammates. He loves the club, and he hates to lose. Some of his teammates don’t seem to care if they win or lose.
Believe me; I’m probably angrier than you with FC Porto’s season. The result of this game (3-0 win or 3-0 defeat) wouldn’t change that. I’m not angry with Nuno or Bruno Alves, though. The people responsible for the bad season aren’t they.
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F*** Bruno Alves!!! He gave up on the game after Benfica's 2nd goal and spent the whole second half just arguing with everybody (even more than usual) and trying to be sent off. Pathetic attitude from the captain, who you'd expect to be a voice of command to calm players down and bring them forward looking for the goal. Not him, he didn't care, he just wanted to kick and elbow players. Great captain indeed, f*** him!
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INDEED!! I really don't know how he could finish this match. He should try wrestling or something else. This is not football.
This guy is disgusting.
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Thunder_PT
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| Dragonite wrote: | Hey Thunder, F*** YOU!
How dare you to criticize Nuno?!
This guy is a World Champion, member of the UEFA Cup and CL winning squads, winner of several domestic leagues, etc.
And you forget all this because he conceded some goals in some insignificant game?!
Show some RESPECT and GRATITUDE
How dare you to criticize Bruno Alves?!
Bruno Alves is furious with the club situation- 3rd in the league, eliminated in the CL, losing the Lucílio Cup.
I prefer his anger over the apathy of some of his teammates. He loves the club, and he hates to lose. Some of his teammates don’t seem to care if they win or lose.
Believe me; I’m probably angrier than you with FC Porto’s season. The result of this game (3-0 win or 3-0 defeat) wouldn’t change that. I’m not angry with Nuno or Bruno Alves, though. The people responsible for the bad season aren’t they. |
Dragonite, you are by far the most pathetic football "fan" I've ever had the displeasure to discuss football with. For you, it's all about the records of teams and players, you make your mind about them without even watching them (or what you watch doesn't seem to influence your judgment), sometimes apparently randomly, and nothing will ever change it. You decide a player is bad and he could become a god on the pitch every week that you wouldn't see it, you decide a player is good and you'd defend him even if he was scoring own goals for fun. I'm really not sure if you do this on purpose just to screw with people or if you're just that dumb.
Your comment about Nuno shows it really well, anyone who has seen Nuno play would be laughing at your "he's a world champion bla bla bla" bullshit. Porto never benefited anything from Nuno, Nuno benefited from Porto, it was certainly not because of him that Porto won any title. Nuno is a terrible excuse of a goalkeeper, he proves that himself everytime he gets on the pitch. That's what I, and any real football fan with half a brain, judge their opinions on, the performances we see on the pitch. To you, Traoré is a great player because he won the Champions League, it doesn't matter how he plays. 
This is my definite post about Dragonite, I'm not going to reply anymore to him anywhere in this forum. I've had it, I'll be damn if I waste a second more with this degenerate fuck who not only knows very little about anything related to football that can't be measured (titles, stats, etc.) but also shows very little respect to the others in this forum to the point of being insulting. I'll just let him play with his stats and ignore him. |
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