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[dinamo_fan_4_ever]

i just think retro implied that timisoara does not deserve the 3 points as they lost but indeed it is almost identical with the "bricheta" case but i think that if 3 points were given to steaua just after that, timisoara is even more entitled to the same thing.

what i would like to know is if it ends up officially that rapid broke the rules by purpose...should they get extra penalty ? i remember that there was a case after brasov - rapid when rapid players left the pitch...i think they got extra 2 points penalty..and i dont say it only for the sake of dinamo gaining an advantage...i think that intentionally breaking the rules should bring extra penalty. just if the final verdict saids it was intention of cause.
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2 seasons ago Steaua won 3-0 FF against Rapid in a different situation. PSG also won 3-0 FF against Rapid because of floodlight problems, the most recent events. I understand that Rapid actually lost 5 time by forfait, in total (?). This says something about the organistaion problems at Rapid.

Steaua won 3-0 FF against PSG, because the french team used a suspended player; although, we also won in the field 3-2. There has to be accountability if one team try to cheat the other, by using a player who don't have the right to play, or any other advantage that is trying illegaly to procure against the opponent.

But what if there is a third party, who don't only have the power, but also the responsability to prevent a forfait situation from occuring in the first place? There may be various reasons: revenge, the need to take front page from time to time, maby even an alliance or a dept to pay to one of the partie involved.

I want people to understand this very well, those guys from LPF, Dumitru Dragomir, Valentin Alexandrescu, Doru Viorel Ursu, etc, they have nothing better to do when these derbies are played, but to watch them on stadium (especially if they play in Bucharest) or TV, both proffessionaly and because they eat football. They watch matches, they go on television they speak about odds, teams values, tactics, coaches. Do you realise that they watched this match, the super goal scored by Matic, with the knowledge that Timisoara will win the match in any case? If a Timisoara player will hit some Rapid player in the face and will be reded, that red will not count further? You speak about these things, but i don't think you conceptualize the seriousness.

It is one thing to be put in front of a 'done fact' post match or during the match, where you cannot prevent anything, and you have to apply the regulation, and something else if you 'hold' an information that cleary benefits to one party.
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And if want to speak about 'Bricheta aka the lighter' we discuss that too.

Media, wrongly perpetuate the ideea that 'a lighter' stopped that very fair match and result on the field. There could be nothing further from the truth. Like the LPF in the most recent scandal, you hold the knowlege that the refferee wanted to continue the match after that incident and gave an ultimatum, which he was entitled to and wasn't respected.

Some people, either in an acute paranoia or plain stupidity, think that only an innocent object in the form of an lighter (with negative mass) was thrown and by a series of unexplain phenomenums that only object hit the reff.

You are dead wrong, that field was a football hazard and the players target practice from the first half, only that after Sapunaru scored, the things get worse. I saw on cameras how Nesu was hit by another red lighther in the foot, when he was static as well as many objects flying around every time the game was stoped. And the cameras only catch a small portion of the match. Rapid stadium is very close and the field, and i heard Manea just in the night previous to the game, that Rapid will never put nets, because their fans are too civilised.

The point is that the players cannot play in those conditions, neither the reff do his job, because your focus have to be split; to be also forced to equalise Rapid in Giulesti is mission impossible.

The fact that you say that Rapid were winning that match, fairly, on the field, it is just bullshit. Those weren't 73 minutes of foobtball played on the field, because the guest players were so targetet from the start (you heard the numerous annoucements from the club station?). So, nothing that Rapid achived on the field was fair twards Steaua.

Why the security forces did not evacuate the troublemakers? Because they were quite content with the situation, obviously. Now, are those things happening somewhere else? Of course. The media gave countless examples of troublemakers on other stadiums, conveniently neglecting to mention how those individuals are escorted ASAP from the stadium by a half of dozen of stewards, so they are in no furter position to treathen the match.

Now that match was stopped fairly? Hell, yes. Then the comittees had to gave a 3-0 FF, forced by the suspention of the match by the reff. If there was anything else they could have done to keep Steaua at 10-20p behind CFR ... they would have jump to it.

Also the media did everything in their power to influence the decision, 2-3 individuals from Rapid, galery heads, were invited each night for 2 weeks, to speak about morality (of not leting Rapid cheat 90 minutes and just 73) and to curse Steaua, all for the great good of football, of course football meaning in that year CFR.

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So no this recent case has nothing in common with what happened them, except probably the penality of the same team.

My first impression, was the match to be replayed, because i really belived that if we remove the fans from the equation (and what they did in the 73'), Steaua had the strength to win that match. If you don't belive, i could care less.

But then i saw that Rapid and media make Steaua the villan, Copos announcing time bombs and the fact that he has infos about the case and the fan, which i guess he keep untill he dies. Later on we learned the fan who threw the most mediatisated lighter was indeed a Rapid fan (for many years) and not a sniper on Becali's payroll; this information was also very little mediatisated, because didn't served CFR's case. Yes it was very litlle to do with Rapid, all that lighter case.

Nedless to say that, how that case was presented in media and by Rapid, made the 3p FF to seem very little compensation for Steaua. And NO, i didn't wanted more points, i wanted LPF and FRF to respect their regulations which applied in the past and to punish Rapid with a FIT penality, for all the unbased accusations and insults that they threw officialy in Steaua's direction. LPF did considered that a suiting penality will be 200 Euro and fined accordingly, while Steaua's brand suffered milion euros loses and the real conflict with a part of the fans originated there.

But, the things didn't stopped there, Rapid felt compeled by an unimaginable revenge and hatred to give 3p to CFR also, so they made an obvious fix with CFR, which was of course legitimated by mass-media. And Because CFR entered a phase where they couldn't beat relegated teams anymore, they found the 'strength' to beat Dinamo too, which wasn't enough, so Dinamo and FRF finished the job in the direct match with Steaua 2, and CFR won an deserved title of champion, where all that remains it Becali's 'suitcase', a stupid attempt to level the playfield by stimulating a team to win, against overwelming odds.

In case your morality is a little curious, after 2 years, Becali recived his 'suitcase' back, but the appologies are standing in CFR's glorious trophee colection.

If you have further morality issues ...
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[moro]

Yeah, they needed two fax now. How about a recommended letter?
Or a messenger on a white horse.

[dinamo_fan_4_ever]

[moro]

There's also the possibility to hire a guy to watch the fax, a guy to watch the guy who watch the fax and two or three supervisors, just in case.

[ognimanaw]

Hey guys, what about the liga1 prediciton game dinamo_fan_4_ever suggested? I think its a neat idea.

[kraken]

yeah, but should there also be a special thread in it, to select which games might be decided at the good aul' green table?
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